tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883899214355622864.post3434777774366481118..comments2023-10-06T00:04:18.327+11:00Comments on The Angriest: Star Trek Into Darkness (2013)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883899214355622864.post-16678907926384538812013-05-20T12:44:27.920+10:002013-05-20T12:44:27.920+10:00I'm with Grant on the inevitable Kirk resurrec...I'm with Grant on the inevitable Kirk resurrection. I'm sitting there all through the omg he's dying so tragic scene tapping my fingers on my thigh going yes, yes, very moving, blah blah, then Bones will resurrect him with the magical resurrection blood, GET ON WITH IT<br /><br />Then Spock yelled KHAN and like sajbrfem I just felt kind of embarrassed for him.<br /><br />One moment of slightly wanky self-indulgent plot hole justification though: as we left I was thinking "why did they do that entire reshoot of the climax of Wrath of Khan? That was a dumb idea since there was no suspense involved." Then I started thinking about Spock having Old Spock on speed dial for instant advice and the thought occurs that the Star Trek approach to time travel is probably similar to that of Doctor Who, that there are some things that have to happen. Minor details may be different but the event has to take place.<br /><br />So, for example, someone has to go into the warp core to fix things and then die. Kirk or Spock, whichever, but causality insists it has to happen.<br /><br />On the other hand I am just handwaving away some sorta lazy scriptwriting.<br /><br />Admiral Robocop was basically 2-D, so he was pretty yawnworthy. And, yeah, Cumberbatch really deserved a villain of his own, rather than a straight-up rehash.Karlskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10256417566241529415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883899214355622864.post-74754724757427316762013-05-20T11:01:19.308+10:002013-05-20T11:01:19.308+10:00Good point Grailchaser - I enjoyed the new Kahn fa...Good point Grailchaser - I enjoyed the new Kahn far more when he had understandable motivation fir what he did. Whereas at the end where he just went axe-crazy he lost what had been an enjoyable sense of depth. Sassahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014724243476761876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883899214355622864.post-42850007786776597512013-05-19T21:00:54.422+10:002013-05-19T21:00:54.422+10:00I enjoyed the film but found its plot twists a lit...I enjoyed the film but found its plot twists a little too obvious and I found the Khan character a poor shadow of his 1990's self. <br /><br />He started out extraordinarily well though. I loved how he surrendered once he knew that his crew were on board the Enterprise. And I thought his emotional explanation of his motivations and his appeal to Kirk well done and then... he just sort of lost it. <br /><br />There was an appeal about Khan's original character - a sort of reservedness and reasonableness that just wasn't there. I kind of had Khan pegged as seeing himself as a benevolent dictator - who protected his flock as long as they were loyal to him - and saw himself as sort of father figure to nations during the Eugenics Wars in Star Trek's 1990s. The original Kirk admired Khan and wasn't afraid of saying so in Space Seed. And he was prepared to give Khan a Second Chance... despite his crimes. <br /><br />There were only hints of this in the new movie. Cumberbatch often just seemed smug. And the no-holds barred Khan of Wrath of Khan is in a headspace that derives from 20 long years of suffering and abandoment. Every spec of reasonableness has been stripped away from him. This Khan just didn't seem to have suffered enough to have become as ruthless as he was. <br /><br />But by far the most annoying character in the whole film was Peter Weller's Admiral Marcus - another "ends justify the means" character like the wealthy industrialist and racist leader of Terra Prime that he played in Enterpise, John Paxton. He seemed to exist simply to give Khan a ship he could fly on his own without a crew. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883899214355622864.post-60745204384623467722013-05-19T19:12:08.705+10:002013-05-19T19:12:08.705+10:00I really enjoyed the film and even immensely enjoy...I really enjoyed the film and even immensely enjoyed the Spock/Kirk reversal (until Spock screamed out Khaaan! Which kinda made me feel awkwardly embarrassed for him). I do have to agree that it had no real emotional impact though, since it was already heavily foreshadowed that Khan's blood had zombie powers. Then it was followed by 'the tribble of ultimate subtlety' which just seemed like poor directing to me. <br /><br />The Khan character seemed to fall apart in the end too now that I think about it--his motivation was both believable and interesting to begin with, then he seemed to change his mind and just want to kill stuff in the end.<br /><br />But I reiterate that overall I really enjoyed it :)<br /><br />sajbrfemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06768576680494799490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5883899214355622864.post-17673465911401595282013-05-19T19:02:16.329+10:002013-05-19T19:02:16.329+10:00Hmmm, hmmmm, agree that B.C. really could have bee...Hmmm, hmmmm, agree that B.C. really could have been his own villain, no need to tack him onto Kahn.<br /><br />That said, I think for new audiences unfamiliar with the original, the only thing that will bother them is that the name really does not seem to match up with white English guy. <br /><br />While the Kirk-dying scene did feel like a "see what we did there" I did still enjoy it. It has been a very long time since I last saw the original series/movies so perhaps the vague memories meant I didn't compare the scenes and characters as much as I might have otherwise.<br /><br />I also just got a kick out of Spock flipping out. Always enjoy watching The Quiet Controlled Ones flip out :P<br /><br />Playing spot-the-Sept-11-metaphor was actually not irritating here... it certainly wasn't subtle, but then I think the US is going to need to continue to reflect on their response to that event for decades more, same way games and film are still exploring the World Wars. The acknowledgement that perhaps hanging out in enemy space with a bunch of weapons, "undetectable" observation of enemy space (drones), etc had some interesting "we didn't think this through" messages. And I liked that the whole point of the movie's after-school special was basically "we should be doing more science and exploration, less attacking and defending".<br /><br />I continue to enjoy how they're handling Uhura and Spock's relationship. Hollywood movie relationships usually just make me angry/nauseated. Glad they didn't do a "hurr hurr Uhura in her undies for no reason" shot like they did with Carol. Leave the nonsensical gratuitous stuff for the fan artists. Although Kirk with the cat girls - totally fine, because it made sense to include that scene as an establishing moment for people unfamiliar with Kirk.Sassahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014724243476761876noreply@blogger.com